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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:04 pm Post subject:

On pricewatch some of the vendors have the abit vp6 with a celeron II 600 listed as a combo.
can these boards really work with a celeron II? I was under the impression that they only worked with pIII's. even the abit site says pentium III, but it adds "(Based on 66/100/133MHz clock)"

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Big Dog Joined: 18 Oct 2000 Posts: 4410

Me and spot were just talking about that today, but we were talking about the BP6, not the VP6. We were wondering how fast the BP6 actually will support. The ABIT site says 600, but that didn't seem right to us...

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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2001 7:31 pm Post subject:

I happen to have a couple cel 2 600's around and would love to plop them in a board and get them working.
huh? The more i read the less i am sure of.
If that makes any sense.[|)]

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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2001 8:36 pm Post subject:

Well to make some sense of the BP6 issue, you cannot run the CeleronII or PIII in the BP6 without a Neo S370 and there is no BIOS currently that will let you run just one CeleronII. There are some user created BIOSes that have the PIII microcode but I'm unsure what you gain with that. Now for the VP6 Abit states that it supports PIII Coppermines, which is basically what a CeleronII is but slowed down and less cache so I don't see why it wouldn't but you never know.

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Celeron II's don't do SMP ... [ Sad

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2001 9:23 am Post subject:

Well I'm not sure about CeleronIIs not doing SMP since BP6.com has stated that inorder to run CeleryIIs you'll need the PowerLeap NeoS370 and that there is no BIOS that will let you run just 1 CeleryII. Which mean it only works in SMP mode? I've asked the webmaster at BP6.com to find out.

Rover

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2001 10:57 am Post subject:

I emailed the vendor that had the link with a vp6 and a celeron2 combo on pricewatch to see what they have to say. I haven't had a response yet. I also checked them out on resellerratings.com and judging by the rating I am not to sure i will get a response.

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Intel tried hard to disable SMP in Celeron II and it looks like they have been succesfull ... it appears that they took out the pin needed for SMP completely ... while the CPU core itself my be capable of SMP, you would need to get to the core and wire up your own pin .... if there was an easy way to use it in SMP, we would have heard about it by now ... I havent heard of any way to do it ... I'm waiting for DUAL T-Birds !! Shocking Smile

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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2001 11:06 pm Post subject:

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I'm waiting for DUAL T-Birds !!

Wouldn't those SETI WUs fly by with dual 1.2GHz T-birds. Spot is getting 1 WU per 4 hours that's 6 a day times 2...one PC cranking out 12 WUs a day, damn I can't wait.

Rover

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Big Dog Joined: 20 Oct 2000 Posts: 3689 Location: USA

bp6's can run one celery 2 or one p3 CUmine as long as you use the powerleap adapter to adapt the pinout/voltage. . . but that would be a waste, now wouldn't it !

i've ran my BP6 with a single cpu a couple times when i was using one to trouble shoot someone elses broken stuff. . and it works just fine

as for the vp6 doing dual celery 1's. . the fcpga socket 370 is backward compatible with ppga chips (as long as the mobo supports the correct voltage, since ppga cpu's require more jiuce than fcpga cpu's)

and like squito said:

It was easy for intel to disable smp in the celery2's because most of them were made from failed early p3's ( the first 4 steppings of the p3 cumine were not SMP enabled. . in fact tho only stepping that IS officially smp enabled is the CC0 stepping) and as an added bonus this time they learned that when they are assembling the package they could trim the smp enable traces at die level (so you'd have to "disassemble" the p3 and re add those traces)

dual 1.2 ghz t-birds may actually be capable of getting out more than 1 a day because the 760mp chipset will make use of AMD's LDT bus between cpu's/system memory/northbridge. . . etc.

of course they may also get less, because in the past smp systems haven't been capable of as much per CPU as having 2 single cpu systems running without each other ( i'm betting on LDT)

is there anything i missed ?

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-Brain

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2001 7:07 am Post subject:

Holy moly! Shocking Smile

Uh? PIII's it is then. after seeing a friends dual system in action i have been checking into it. thanks.[ Very Happy

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One more thing, don't buy from tufshop.com .they are the retailer with dual celeron2's listed as a combo. still no reply to my email.

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as for the vp6 doing dual celery 1's. . the fcpga socket 370 is backward compatible with ppga chips (as long as the mobo supports the correct voltage, since ppga cpu's require more jiuce than fcpga cpu's)

PPGA celeys don't really work because the VP6 doesn't provide much juice. http://www.bxboards.com/mainboard/dual/abitvp6.shtml BXboards said they had one processor working, probably because they were lucky.

You can run one Celey 2 with the Neo S370 on a BP6 even though I would not recommend it. My friend's experience is a lot of lockups and not much o/cing.

-mike

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Did anybody check out that link to the speculation on the "Tilutian" processor coming out in a few months from Intel ?

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-Brain

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2001 9:21 pm Post subject:

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Did anybody check out that link to the speculation on the "Tilutian" processor coming out in a few months from Intel ?

I did, I thought we would have heard more on something that is so close to release. Usually there is alot more hype.

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This is old news - I don't know what's happening over there at Insane Hardware - the following bits are from http://www.aceshardware.com/

(September 8,2000) The 0.13-micron copper version of the Pentium III is expected to begin production in the third quarter of next year, and sports a larger 512 KB integrated L2 cache as well as a new flip-chip package incorporating a heat spreader. The Tulatin will use the same pin-out as existing FC-PGA Coppermine Pentium IIIs, but will be incompatible with current motherboards due to a change in the bus clock design to permit 200 MHz operation.

(December 21, 2000) Beginning in Q3, the 0.13-micron Tualatin-256 will arrive at 1.26 GHz. While earlier plans called for a more ambitious design, featuring a 512 KB L2 cache and a 200 MHz FSB, these plans were scrapped in light of the accelerated Pentium 4 ramp. While the mobile version is beefier, the desktop-oriented Tualatin-256 is essentially just a shrink of the Coppermine Pentium III to Intel's 0.13-micron Copper process. PC133 SDRAM will be the end of the road for Tualatin-256, as there will be no DDR platform. Furthermore, there are no speed grades beyond 1.26 GHz currently shown on the roadmap.

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