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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:34 pm Post subject: p4 e or c...

preferences between the two? Looked at some reviews, and nothing particularly overly favoring for the e considering the extra on board cache, only major difference I noticed was that e had much higher temps. Also looking for a good p4 board with all the bells and whistles, currently looking at an asus p4p800-e deluxe or deluxe-e whatever. Also was wondering if there's any good pci express boards out, as I may just go with one of those...not looking at upgrading till the end of august, so what's available then will more than likely affect my final decision, I just like to hear thoughts.

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:42 pm Post subject:

Northwood -C is a better processor than Prescott -E. Northwood uses less energy and generates less heat than Prescott.

Of course, you should also consider an Athlon64, which uses even less energy and generates even less heat for the same performance level.

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:10 pm Post subject:

actualy anubis I have the exact setup that you just described, and I know most people here are AMD guys so they gonna hate me for this

I have the p4p800 delux with a 2.8GHz c p4 and I love it, and no heat is not an issue. The mobo comes with the overclocking Ai and I only used that, havent done much else, but I used the first setting that is overclock 5% and run in turbo mode instead of normal mode. No extra addons or fans,

stock was at 2799 MHz(2.8GHz) , with 798 FSB cpu temp was at 37C (sorry i dont know farenheight)

now after the 5% increase its running at 2964MHz (3GHz) , with 845 FSB and suprizingly enough the temp is now at 34C, call me crazy but how does that happen, its actualy running cooler now than it did before. AND ITS 100% stable. Its been a month and nothing, its flawless.

I didnt go more indepth with the numbers, mostly because im way too tired at the moment to go dig in but I could if you'd like.
That said I know these AMD guys will have something to say or persuade you to go that way. Im just telling you my experience.

Hope that helps a bit.

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:28 am Post subject:

Yes, quite nicely. As with all CPU lines, certain chips are better for OC'ing, and from what I've read, most of the Northwoods overclock quite nicely on stock cooling, the fact that your temps went down by 3 degrees however is interesting, but a bonus Very Happy

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I'm currently running a barton 2500 right now, but I wanta go with a HT P4 so I can crunch seti (or folding...may switch) faster. That and they're just faster. As for an athlon 64...not really interested in them for some reason, but like I said in my original post, I'm not making any concrete decisions until after my honeymoon, see how the cashflow is then.

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Our little P4C with HT does do SETI better than the OC'd Barton (that's about it) - can't imagine having the even hotter running Prescott is worth it however - w Wink Smile

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Even with the HT, the A64 chips will still outperform the P4s.

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tom wrote:
Even with the HT, the A64 chips will still outperform the P4s.

Not when it comes to SETI - you can go to the bank on that - w Wink Smile

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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:29 am Post subject:

Ok, i'm gonna be lazy here and just ask, how much am I looking at if I consider an athlon 64 vs a p4 say, 3.0 c? Am I going to need a new motherboard (currently running an asus a7n8x non deluxo model...if I'd only need a proc, that'd be great...

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:04 am Post subject:

Considering your current system, either way you go (P4+HT, AMD64) you need new mobo new CPU. Compared to what you probably paid for the Barton/A7N (what how much you can get it for now) P4 and AMD64 will look expensive any way you slice it.

AMD64 probably more bang for your buck, but P4 + HT is extreme performance in most cases. Just keep in mind that HT can hurt performance in some instances too.

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:57 am Post subject:

boo. why can't upgrading be simple Sad

I just want fast, I suppose I could just stay with what I have, not like a barton 2500 is slow by any means, I just feel like upgrading...

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject:

i would advise you if you are going p4 way to stick with the 2.8c and not go for the 3.0c. I was looking at the same however the 2.8c was only $245CAN and the 3.0 was $65CAN more and thats for 200MHz extra, not worth it.

If you read what I said earlier in this thread, you can see with the setup that you were looking for (the one I have exact) my p4 2.8 is now running at 3.0 with only one adjustment and heat has stayed the same at 37C, gainded 45MHz on the FSB and my multiplier has increased up to 14 I believe, I hope I remembered that right.

Lycander I have yet to see HT hurt my performance. So far its been great.

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject:

crazycanuk wrote:
Lycander I have yet to see HT hurt my performance. So far its been great.

Well I can't speak from personal experience, just from what I read in articles. Supposedly some games do suffer, but only a few frames loss and when you're already above 100 fps it doesn't really matter anymore. Other scenarios where performance might take a hit is running multiple apps that are not designed to be threaded.

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crazycanuk wrote:
Lycander I have yet to see HT hurt my performance. So far its been great.

Ditto dat, just based on what my photochopping, muti-media maniac son tells me, and my SETI stats, the P4 is tough nut to crack dollar-wise. I myself am still on the Barton, and would have went with the AMD64 in a heartbeat if I felt it was even close to being worth what it cost to build a comparable system.

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 6:19 am Post subject:

hrm...all very interesting. If I go ahead with this upgrade, it'll be the first time I've spent over 150 cdn on a proc in well...in a long time, so I just wanta make sure I'm doing the right thing here is all Undecided

Anyhow, I'm still interested to see what happens with the rest of the summer in terms of hardware releases, ie, PCI Express mobo's, new video card / cpu releases, etc. so who knows, I may upgrade, I may not...

Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:11 pm Post subject:

If you can wait then do so. I spoke to the guy at the store where i get most of my parts from and he basicaly told me that all the PCI Express mobos are done, packed and are waiting for the go ahead to be shiped. Might even happen with in the next month or so.

Where in Canada do you live?