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Stray Dog Joined: 31 Dec 2000 Posts: 60 Location: Portugal

Okay, I ordered a Switftech MC462A REV1 with the Sanyo Denki fan and some AS II from CoolerGuys.

I usually order from Plycon, but they don't carry the Swifty. CoolerGuys answered my emails right away late at night and at 6am! So far they've been outstanding (except on the $23.50 two day UPS charge- I went for the ground).

I looked at the Gladiator closer and you're right Ed, thanks. I don't need a runaway fan bouncing around in my case one day!

I notice my Tbird is about 20 degrees hotter than my case (right now it's running at 45 degrees under load (SETI). I can mod my case to add fan(s) over the CPU. I may try adding another front intake fan first (Antec SX8030). Of course now I'm concerned with the PSU (Antec 300W).

Thanks for everybodys help, I'll report my new temps.

Stray Dog Joined: 31 Dec 2000 Posts: 60 Location: Portugal

Well, I finally got the Swiftech MC- 462A installed! Man this HSF is HUGE! It dwarfs my Tt Volcano. I had to pull out my mboard to install, which kinda sucked, but it is mounted and it ain't coming off!

I used AS II- I have to admit, that stuff is messy and hard to clean up. Next time I'll be more careful.

Okay, enough whining- I fired up the ole Tbird (at default 1.2) and the noise isn't that bad with the Sanyo Denki 80mm. My temps went down a whopping 7 degrees C (to 42C) under full load (SETI). Disappointed? Yes. I haven't added any more fans or modded my case yet, so the case temp is 30C still.

So all that and only 7 degrees? In fact, when I installed my chip at first I had raised the thremosister(?) to touch the chip, and last night, I lowered it a bit, I think it was touching too much.

Now, I am using Motherboard Monitor to get these temps, but when I use the SiSoft Sandra, the CPU temp is 32C, the board temp is 23C. Now those temps I like!!! So what is everybody else using to measure temps.

Conclusion- was it worth the $ and hassle? I'm not sure, maybe by using ASII and a Delta on my Tt I could have saved the $ and got the same results. I will see how far I can overclock today and get back to ya.

Okay, I should write this up and submit as a review to LWD instead of making everyone read this long post...maybe I will.

Posted: Sat May 26, 2001 10:26 am Post subject:

I can't wait till athlon4 comes out with the thermal diode on die, like intel has.

Posted: Sat May 26, 2001 10:32 am Post subject:

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I can't wait till athlon4 comes out with the thermal diode on die, like intel has.

for the uneducated like mi..what is this thermal diode?

-g

"I'm not the one with the answers, just the one with the questions"

Posted: Sat May 26, 2001 11:04 am Post subject:

A thermal diode is like a small thermometer built into the chip itself and programs like Motherboard Monitor can get temp readings from it, allowing for much more accurate temps then using a thermistor mounted underneath the chip in that little square hole found in the middle of the socket.

Rover
- I don't have a god complex...I just like people to think I do!

Stray Dog Joined: 31 Dec 2000 Posts: 60 Location: Portugal

That little damn hole. Damn it. Damn it to hell. Okay, I'm better. I think tonight I put on the Volcano and see what happens with the temp and if the ASII helps. No, I won't- I'm too lazy... I will OC this MF to hell and back though....

Posted: Sat May 26, 2001 7:27 pm Post subject:

Just be thankful you don't have a Duron...their die is smaller and therefore has less area to transfer heat to the HSF!

Rover
- I don't have a god complex...I just like people to think I do!

Moderator Joined: 05 Dec 2000 Posts: 5941 Location: USA

I dunno ... a 7 (13 fahrenheit) degree drop seems pretty good to me Question

P.S. I also use Motherboard Monitor ...

Signature down for repairs ... [ Sticking out Tongue

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Edited by - squito on 05/27/2001 14:41:37

Posted: Sun May 27, 2001 12:33 pm Post subject:

Rover does the new addition have anything to do with keeping the corecooler, cause i thought i heard somewhere that the Athlon4 was supposed to be cooler then the Thunderbird?

-g

"I'm not the one with the answers, just the one with the questions"

Posted: Sun May 27, 2001 1:45 pm Post subject:

Hey Squito, I see you decided to replace the batteries in your calculator!!! [ Very Happy

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- Ed.

Moderator Joined: 05 Dec 2000 Posts: 5941 Location: USA

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Hey Squito, I see you decided to replace the batteries in your calculator!!! []

- Ed.

You know me and math ... Blush Smile

Signature down for repairs ... Tongue Smile

Posted: Mon May 28, 2001 9:00 am Post subject:

I'm not sure Guy, but I think it will use either smaller pathways or copper interconnects. Both of which low power comsumption, and that translates directly to less heat.

Here's something to think about for everyone, especially those in California or other power starved areas.

The Nuke plant I work at puts out about 933Mega Watts continuously. Now if you don't know, thats a shit load of power. Now the electricity moves from the plant to the power lines aka power grid. Somewhere, down the line, there's whats a Load Dispatcher. This person, has sensors on all the power lines in his area, so if for instance a plant trips and goes offline, he can adjust the flow of electricity so the people don't lose power.

Now, I said before my plant puts out like 933MW, but the load dispatchers only sees about 1/2 of that power. Why, so little you ask...the dreaded enemy of all of us OCers: Heat!.

Rover
- I don't have a god complex...I just like people to think I do!

Posted: Mon May 28, 2001 9:08 am Post subject:

I just read an article on that. The power lines can hold more power but the heat generated causes the power lines to sag so much they would come to close to the ground in some cases.

Posted: Mon May 28, 2001 9:51 am Post subject:

Ok since we are on the subject of Heat here's another lesson:

I'm not sure if you people realize the sheer magnitude of the generator used in a Nuke plant but let me tell you they (the generators) are friggin' huge. I'm talking 10s of feet tall. With hundreds of thousands of feet of copper wire windings. Now if you know anything about DC motors/generators (they are basically the same thing) when they are under power or producing power the motor/generator produces a shit load of heat. That heat is basically wasted energy due to resistance of the wire windings.

In order to reduce the heat, which causes all sorts of problems, the nuke industry came up with a small solution. I can't speak for coal or hydro plants but the 4 nuke plants that I know personally do this. The windings on the generator are hollow and hydrogen is pumped inside as a coolant. Now that's what I call some serious cooling. No it's not liquid since that would be TOO volital but a gas. If hydrogen wasn't so darn exspensive they would probably do this for the transmission lines. Also, to fight transmission line loss it would be electrically better to use copper instead of aluminum, but the cost is probitative and the weight would necessitate a complete redesign of the towers used to hold up the wire. NOt to mention we'd need a lot more of them closer together.

Rover
- I don't have a god complex...I just like people to think I do!

Posted: Mon May 28, 2001 10:11 am Post subject:

It's amazing how far we will go to keep something cool.

is Hydrogen flamable?

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