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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:00 am   Post subject: Silly Kid Reply with quote Back to top  

We're heading camping this weekend, and I'm running late, so I took my truck into the Jiffy Lube for an oil change. I normally just do it myself.

I'm sitting in the truck while the kid is doing his job, and he starts in on the customary 85 million point "can I sell you anything else" checklist. I'm not really paying much attention to what he is doing, until I hear air coming out of my tire. I get out, and he's airing down my back tire.

"What are you doing?"

"Your back tires are way over inflated, I'm letting some air out"

Now, I haven't checked my tires for ages, so I'm initially genuinely concerned

"Really? What are they at?

"I don't know my tire gauge only goes up to 50psi, and they were off the scale"

"Oh, thats not overinflated, this is a 3/4 ton with LRE tires, they're probably supposed to be around 70-80psi, although I'm not sure what."

"No sir, all tires should be inflated to 32psi for best fuel efficience and tire life."

"Maybe for a car thats true, but not for a truck. Let's see, there it is right on the tire: max single load 1,550 kg at 80psi" (for the record the tire didn't mix metric and imperial, those are just the numbers I remember)

"Lot's of tires list higher than 32psi on them, but you should always check what the vehicle states on the door panel, and it will say 32psi."

"Oh really, let's go see. Well, would look at that, right here on the sticker it says: Front 50psi, Rear 80psi."

"Wow, I've never heard of such a thing before"

Suddenly I wasn't very comfortable with my oil change. After I got home, I crawled under the truck to see how things looked. A-OK, thankfully. Oh, and I had to go put some air back into my rear tires.

Whatever happened to "The customer is always right"?

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:05 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

You should've bet the kid... Wink SmileBig SmileEvil Smile

Where was his manager? Shocking Smile

...and I'm sure he remembers that tire pressures should be checked cold...not after they've been run on the road all day and have heated up. He should've aired them back up to spec right there on the spot. I hope he would've put in Nitrogen instead of just plain air... Wink Smile

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:12 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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I hope he would've put in Nitrogen instead of just plain air... Wink Smile


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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:39 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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BamZipPow wrote:
I hope he would've put in Nitrogen instead of just plain air... Wink Smile


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http://getnitrogen.org/
http://www.n2revolution.com/

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Race cars and airplanes have used this technology for a long time. Now, filling your car's tires with nitrogen, not just air, is the newest thing. It will cost you about $10 per tire. But if your tires are properly inflated, it could save you some gasoline and tire wear. See, nitrogen molecules are bigger than air molecules, so nitrogen might leak out of your tire more slowly. Nitrogen makes up
about 78 percent of dry air, but this new technology fills tires with a nearly pure form of the gas.

The St. Petersburg Times story on all of this reported that advocates of nitrogen tires claim that tires filled with air might lose 2.7 pounds of air per month, while nitrogen-filled tires might only lose 0.7 pounds per month.

I suppose there is a question about whether or how you could, over time, save $40 worth of gasoline by using nitrogen to even out the cost. GizMag says:

As a rough rule of thumb, if your tires are 20 percent below the optimum, you'll reduce your tire life by up to 50 percent, and the additional rolling resistance can add 10 percent or more to your fuel consumption. Across the life of a tire, that's a massive financial penalty on the driver, and it's no wonder that the U.S. Department of Energy reports that the national U.S. fleet burns 4 million gallons of gasoline unnecessarily every day due to low tire pressure.

Edmunds.com puts it this way:

The U.S. Department of Energy says for every 1 PSI [(pounds per square inch) that your tires] are under the optimal rate, you lose 0.4 percent of your miles per gallon. It estimates the average person can improve mileage by 3.3 percent by inflating their vehicle tires regularly.

Car parts stores and dealerships are all over this. You will probably soon be seeing systems, like this one, that dispense nitrogen.

Ingersoll-Rand Co., which makes nitrogen tire inflation systems, claims:

Better air pressure retention. The single biggest reason for tire failure is lack of maintenance of tire pressure. In fact, 54 percent of all vehicles on the road have low tire pressure. Oxygen in compressed air can permeate the tire wall reducing tire pressure. With nitrogen, diffusion is 30 to 40 percent slower than oxygen. As a result, nitrogen maintains tire pressure longer than ambient air.

Enhanced fuel economy. Maintaining tire pressure can boost fuel economy by as much as 6 percent. Nitrogen disperses heat more quickly than ambient air. By restraining the heat in the tire and reducing rolling resistance, you get better fuel economy.

Longer tread life. With quicker heat dispersion, you get a cooler running tire which helps extend tread life and reduce tire failure. Nitrogen also prevents oxidation which can not only lead to tread separation and belt failure but, when combined with moisture, corrode rims. In fact, moisture can result in rust flakes that can fall into the valve stem, block the valve and cause under-pressurization. It can even cause the valve stem itself to rust.

Slow chemical aging. Filling a tire with nitrogen also significantly slows the chemical aging process of the tire's rubber components. This leads to fewer catastrophic failures like blowouts. Slower aging lengthens tire core life, which yields extra retreads and lower fleet costs.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:26 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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See, nitrogen molecules are bigger than air molecules, so nitrogen might leak out of your tire more slowly.


*checks periodic table*

Nitrogen is far from the largest gas molecule. You should fill up with argon. and since it is a noble gas it won't react with your rims or tires in any way shape or form, that has be better then plain old diatomic nitrogen.

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about 78 percent of dry air, but this new technology fills tires with a nearly pure form of the gas.


Heres an interesting thought... when I fill up with 78% nitrogen, and Nitrogen leaks out slower then the the rest of the air... the next time I fill it I'll already have more nitrogen in it then the time before, and after several fillings, allowing the air to leak out slowly on it's own, I'll be running on a very high percent nitrogen.





OR we can get C02 which is larger then both nitrogen and oxygen and argon, and simply use that... unlikely that it would react with the rubber or the rim any more then the argon would... and much less likely to be problematic in the event of a fire as pure oxygen...

vulcanized tires from yester year were just filled with rubber molecules... and those are much larger most gases... that would have to be great gas millage... we should all go back to rims coated with rubber and due away with this whole inflation thing.

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Post Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:32 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

The main advantage of Nitrogen over air for your tires is that the manufacturing process that separates the nitrogren out of the other components in the air (20.9% oxygen, 1% Argon, 0.04% CO2) must necessarily also separate out the water. Bottled nitrogen is very dry. However, if you have a good dry source of air, there isn't a lot of difference.

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:53 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

That reminds of when someone posted on here that my tires were dangerously over inflated because I keep them at 40-45psi. Some people just don't know any better.

I've been intrigued by using something other than compressed air, but, for the price (free), I'll stick with air and the monthly checkup.

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:44 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

I've only taken vehicles to Jiffy Lube maybe 3 times, and each time I get the 'Clean yer injectors fer only $65' pitch or some other BS. And I hate waiting around in that crappy waiting room.

My friend took his Saturn there and paid to have a new air filter installed. Everything seemed fine, but a few months down the road his car gradually started running like crap. We were checking it out and in the process we noticed that the air filter was missing... The dicks at JL took the old one out but didn't replace it with anything! He drove for months without a filter and by the time he noticed his engine was wasted...


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Post Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:45 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

old TV report on Jiffy Lube... as reported by snopes... complete with links to the news segments.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/scams/jiffylube.asp

I trust Walmart more than jiffy lube.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:00 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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I trust Walmart more than jiffy lube.


OOOooooo that is bad.

Never thought Id ever find anyone worse then crappy tire till I went to wally world.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:05 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

oh don't get me wrong... I don't get tires at walmart... just oil changes.

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:13 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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oh don't get me wrong... I don't get tires at walmart... just oil changes.


I'd trust them more for tires than I would oil changes...and that is bad...

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Post Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:44 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

Guess I live near some walmarts with good personnel then... they've never messed up on my vehicles.

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Post Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:23 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

apart from the obviousness of air being 78% nitrogen anyway ....

and the leaking with the slowness and what's wrong with the checking of the pressures every second week ...

it's the compression of the water molecules during the compression phase that makes for weirdness in the pressurisation.
and when the tire gets hot, the water might vapourise, overextending the tyre pressure, minor possible blow out (verry minor)
plus the dirt and ....
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