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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:48 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

This was the only reference I didn't understand: "Upon powering up the machine (off net, and on a KVM switch)," but it wasn't crucial and by the time I got there, you caught my interest.

It was a good article. I totally agree that it was aimed at people who ARE techie: to encourage them to install linux for their non-techie friends. I've tried (but not very hard) before, but now that i see the success you had, maybe I'll try a little harder. Good choice, for the sitaution, Susie.

No Debian? You tried Ubuntu but not Debian? A true OS collector like yourself needs to try Debian, too. Smile
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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:51 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

I should have thought of that for my dad. It would be so much easier to keep up with him on mandriva. He wouldnt be able to delete things and get bewildered at how and why it happened.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:14 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

I really think that more and more Linux is getting to be just as easy - if not easier - to learn than Windows. Now, given, if you already know Windows pretty well, then I can understand not wanting to switch.

However, a lot of the claims people give about why Linux sucks (not enough software available, software is too hard to install) are just plain false for the average user.

Sure, there's some software that isn't available (iTunes is a good example - AFAIK there's no other client for the iTunes Music Store because Apple refuses to open it up), but for most people it has all the basics: email, word processor, media players, etc.

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see, the typical responses I see from Doomy follow a vein of: "wtf d00d, why are you doing it like that? do it like ME, because I'm ultimate roxxor LOLBBQ"


'Tis true LOL !
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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:06 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

Re: Multimedia

As usual the problem is the patent and licensing situation. There are plenty of media players. But as anybody who's had to build a proper mplayer build knows, getting libmp3 is its own step, and I have yet to see an mp4 module for audio (I've got mplayer working with mp4 video using divx).

There isn't anything to work with the iPod directly because Apple doesn't see fit to issue licenses to open software projects. I may criticise Microsoft and I may like the Apple user interface, but Apple has always had a particular proprietorial streak.

But there are some good iTunes-like players for Linux. They are not easily installed, however, and best left off the initial install.

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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:28 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

Linda wrote:
This was the only reference I didn't understand: "Upon powering up the machine (off net, and on a KVM switch)," but it wasn't crucial and by the time I got there, you caught my interest.

It was a good article. I totally agree that it was aimed at people who ARE techie: to encourage them to install linux for their non-techie friends. I've tried (but not very hard) before, but now that i see the success you had, maybe I'll try a little harder. Good choice, for the sitaution, Susie.

No Debian? You tried Ubuntu but not Debian? A true OS collector like yourself needs to try Debian, too. Smile



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Post Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:41 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

What if she has cookies disabled?

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:35 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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Re: Multimedia

As usual the problem is the patent and licensing situation. There are plenty of media players. But as anybody who's had to build a proper mplayer build knows, getting libmp3 is its own step, and I have yet to see an mp4 module for audio (I've got mplayer working with mp4 video using divx).

There isn't anything to work with the iPod directly because Apple doesn't see fit to issue licenses to open software projects. I may criticise Microsoft and I may like the Apple user interface, but Apple has always had a particular proprietorial streak.

But there are some good iTunes-like players for Linux. They are not easily installed, however, and best left off the initial install.


This why I like YaST (in SuSE).

They actually have a couple of 3rd party repositories on their site, one of which makes MPlayer a tick-and-click install - it will figure out what else it needs and downloads it including the GUI. Same with iTunes type programs, although I believe a couple are included on the install disc.

The hardest thing with Linux is a DVD player program. Although I had figured out which command line switches are needed with MPlayer to get it working (some discs were trial and error on the proper title track to play though). There is nothing like PowerDVD that I have found - yet...

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:39 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

Funny you should mention YaST. I ended up getting smart-install (Smart Package Installer) and it actually built the best MPlayer I ever saw, it plays DVDs great (although my DVD drive on that machine is dying so it's moot).

All that being said, it's out of the scope of the original article. I kept it out on purpose, because what I was after is to show how very basic "internet terminal" functionality works well for a subset of... well, clueless users.

For those with more smarts, or who are more dangerous than smart, running a Ubuntu CD might be a good start.

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:01 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:59 am   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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yiayia49 wrote:
foxinhand wrote:
Great article; but and it's a big but, only the tech literate that will probably read it. Now if it was published in a Man or Woman's Magazine then it may catch a few more fishes.


A lot of old folk only use Email. So an old m/c with no hard drive and and Linux on a disk would eliminate all infections.
When a m/c was being converted for them an Email address on Gmail could be created and a sticker on the keyboard with details.


One suggestion to the writer is that, one should assume that a reader does not know acronyms. In an article, if one is used the first time, it should be spelled out between parentheses at the first mention. Most users, as uninitiated as this reader to techie talk, don't know how to check them out in Google and might quit early, from lack of understanding. If Digg picks up more readers, it would be sad to have too many who REALLY need to read it, turned off because it is written for a more tech-savvy user... as the writer obviously is.

The article is clear, well articulated in concepts, and full of lots of useful information. One might add, again to the non-techie with not a lot of cash to spend, that the route to set one up is not as difficult as they would imagine it to be (I speak from experience here) and they could be pointed to many articles which make the ease apparent.


The article was not aimed at the casual user. It was aimed at the technical expert who hasn't thought about installing linux as a way of mitigating support sinks. The audience should know the few acronyms, such as POP, PPP, CRT, KDE, or OSX. Many of those acronyms do not actually use their spelled out version (BeOS and OSX, and BSD are examples) as part of their marketing.

If a casual user finds it interesting but daunting for the presence of a few TLAs, I'll refer to some great articles that are out there already for casual users to install Linux on their own. My experience is that casual users don't want to, and tend to ask for help. But there's a point in there. I'll follow up with some pointers to well written articles for the novice user, since I am really not good at writing articles for novices.

Perhaps I should have made that clear in my article what I was trying to show, that a technical person could install linux for a non technical person, and be rewarded with less support load for it.

I'll remember the tip about expanding TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms).


Thanks for the explanation...I'll keep it mind as I choose to read what I might/might not understand. That way I can assure myself that I won't learn something new or get confused. Twisted Evil
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Post Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:07 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

I appreciate your input. It will be noted in future articles. Smile

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Post Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:28 pm   Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top  

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Excellent read.

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