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Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2000 10:04 am Post subject:

I was just surfing around Pricewatch.com and looking at the CPU prices. As of today, you can get a T-bird 850 for only $146. Then if you check out the price on a PIII 850, the cheapest you will find is $229.

Actually you can get a T-Bird 950 for less than a Pentium 850. So here's my question. Unless you already have a Slot 1 board that needs upgrading, why would you choose Intel over the AMD T-bird.

- Spot
Spot@LittleWhiteDog.com

"AssPunching is not allowed!"

Edited by - Spot on 10/29/2000 13:05:36

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2000 8:19 pm Post subject:

Why Intel over AMD...hmmm...compatability would be my only consideration!

Rover
"...She went to the cupboard to get her poor dog a bone,
when she bent over Rover took over and gave her a bone of her own!"

Big Dog Joined: 20 Oct 2000 Posts: 3689 Location: USA

BeOS

oh and the fact that I have a BP6

but as I've conceded before If the AMD 760 mp chipset gets supported by Be later this year when the next update ( including BeOS Network Environment) comes out it'll be dual 1.x Ghz Athlon lovin

-Brain

Brain@littlewhitedog.com

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2000 12:16 pm Post subject:

I'll second that motion Brain! Actually my choice will depend on what is available for the money I can spend when I have it to spend!

Rover
"...She went to the cupboard to get her poor dog a bone,
when she bent over Rover took over and gave her a bone of her own!"

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2000 1:57 pm Post subject:

Is it true that AMD's are such a cheap price because they're just a lower version of the Intel chip overclocked? I am confused as to why is there such a large price difference between these two companies. Is it the quality of their work? Is it the technology? WHY WHY WHY!?!

Cat Chaser Joined: 24 Oct 2000 Posts: 951 Location: USA

Man, I remember the day when AMD and INTEL were the same company.

My next system is a duron. Well, thats after I finish the dual celery system I am building from spare parts on an old BP6. Intel is just getting way to expensive. Personally, I don't see much performance difference between the anthy's and the PIII's. I have used both and found little or no difference. Its all economics on this end.

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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2000 9:19 pm Post subject:

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Is it true that AMD's are such a cheap price because they're just a lower version of the Intel chip overclocked? I am confused as to why is there such a large price difference between these two companies. Is it the quality of their work? Is it the technology? WHY WHY WHY!?!

Only my opinion, but it's competition my friend. If you are the small dog on the market, you underprice the giant Intel to get people that don't have the $$ like Rover and I.

- Spot
Spot@LittleWhiteDog.com

"AssPunching is not allowed!"

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2000 4:55 am Post subject:

It's simple really. If your building a new system, AMD is the way to go, it's cheaper and the performance is equal or better. If you have an Intel mobo, stick with Intel. I would have to say I am going to stay with Intel for the time being, just because I am not ready to give up my BX board. The fact that the most stable platform on the market still beats everything new after 2 years says something for the BX. I'll probably hang on to it for as long as I can.

"Environment is everything - The Lion may be king of the jungle, but you airlift him to Antarctica and he is just some Penguin's Bitch" - Dennis Miller

Big Dog Joined: 18 Oct 2000 Posts: 4410

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It's simple really. If your building a new system, AMD is the way to go, it's cheaper and the performance is equal or better. If you have an Intel mobo, stick with Intel. I would have to say I am going to stay with Intel for the time being, just because I am not ready to give up my BX board. The fact that the most stable platform on the market still beats everything new after 2 years says something for the BX. I'll probably hang on to it for as long as I can.

Still running an ABIT BE6-II myself! With a 600E running at 800 Big Smile

The only thing I wish "we" could do is run AGP 4x

Fido@littlewhitedog.com

Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2000 6:22 am Post subject:

I personally feel that the AGP4X is unimportant. Most games don't take advantage of it, and memory speed becomes a bottleneck long before the AGP bus is a problem. I have a Celeron 2 566@850 on an Asus P3B-F mobo. I am looking to try and afford a 600E so I can run 800. I have a promise Ultra66 controller to up the IDE performance of my BX board, and a 32MB DDR Radeon(Got it last week) that make my old TNT2 look pretty crappy. I just need a P3, and I'll be a happy camper.

"Environment is everything - The Lion may be king of the jungle, but you airlift him to Antarctica and he is just some Penguin's Bitch" - Dennis Miller

Big Dog Joined: 20 Oct 2000 Posts: 3689 Location: USA

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Is it true that AMD's are such a cheap price because they're just a lower version of the Intel chip overclocked? I am confused .....

No, NO, NO , N O !

If you go read the white sheets on both processors ( I did ) you will see that the AMD chip is much better designed. Truthfully, the AMD chip isn't even an x86 core anymore ( hence why THEY can ship a WORKING cpu over 1ghz) They have a pipelining translation system that lets them translate x86 instructions into "athlon native" instructions in hardware,( as opposed to Transmeta who translates the x86 instructions with software ) in about 2 clocks. The added bonus here is 2 fold: A) no lag in processing speed incurred because of translation. B) since they aren't locked to the x86 instructions, they almost never have to make changes to the design of the core between steppings, just to the small portion of the pipeline that does the translation.

All that added up, means that AMD could continue shipping the athlon exactly like it is at speeds estimated up to 2.2 ghz

add in a few minor changes here and there ( which cost AMD almot nothing in R&D because of the way they designed the original core) and even with ddr266 ram, they will be able to continue raising the speed "bar" pretty much at will, whenever Intel comes out with a faster chip.

If it weren't for the fact that they are planning a diffrent "pinout" for DDR enabled Athlons/Durons, ( everything released over 1.2 ghz) AMD COULD actually be shipping 2ghz chips right now, if there wa ANY competition to do so from Intel.

-Brain

Brain@littlewhitedog.com

Butt Sniffer Joined: 09 Nov 2000 Posts: 1883

brain,

Talked to AMD rep today and he said all there chips till the 64-bit is released will be Socket-A. I would assume this just means a BIOS update to keep up with the speed. I've always used Intel but after running an Athlon 750 Slot-A at 840mhz and successfully installing win98 3 times (i used it at work as a test system for peripherals)i think i will build me an AMD "toy" system.

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2000 6:08 pm Post subject:

PDK68, ask that AMD rep when the new chipsets will be out? I'd like to upgrade and dual AMD cpus would rock. That is if they get the chipset to work right.

Rover
"...She went to the cupboard to get her poor dog a bone,
when she bent over Rover took over and gave her a bone of her own!"

Big Dog Joined: 20 Oct 2000 Posts: 3689 Location: USA

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brain,

Talked to AMD rep today and he said all there chips till the 64-bit is released will be Socket-A. I would assume this just means a BIOS update to keep up with the speed.

according to everything I've read they are changing the pinout, kind of like what happened with Intel and the difference in pinout of classic socket 370, and ppga. meaning they want to keep some unsuspecting rube from being able to accidentally plug his 100mhz rated athlon/duron into a ddr board and smoking it. AMD has been changing the pinout ( removing pins so far ) and the external package of the socket A chips on and off for the last 3 months. this started out as an attempt to keep people from duplicating all of the OC'd forging/remarking that occurred in the pacific rim last year, and will keep evolving until they have accomplished that, and the "safety" feature

now my question what level of provider was the AMD Rep that you got your information from. was it a level one reseller ? direct from AMD ? your local vendor ?

There is NO spoon !
-Brain